New home, new state, new job are just a few of the "new" things that happened. There was also a loss of job, a pandemic and a shut down. This year was very much unpredictable. I was able to get some woodworking done. I found a guild that I was going to until meetings were canceled. I did not find any locations that take handmade toys, so I did not make any. In August I found out I would be moving again after the school year so I am not as motivated to set roots down and establish the charity connections.
My favorite project was probably the desk. It did not perfectly as I had hoped, but it is a simple looking desk that is well built. The other furniture was a nice change of pace to the toys that I was making. I had the opportunity to make a lot of mortise and tenon joints and work with some really nice cherry. I also gave my hand tools more of a work out than they are use to.Projects and discoveries from an obsessed woodworker who likes to make wooden children's toys
Wednesday, December 23, 2020
Year in Review 2020
A year of cleaning the Kitchen
I made it a goal this year to clean the kitchen every Saturday for an entire years. I just want to preface this post with "this is not a cleaning post and I do not consider myself as an expert cleaner. " I will never say "it is not clean until..." because most likely I didn't do it.
I will start with the assumption "If I tell everyone that I am cleaning the kitchen every Saturday, everyone will just leave all the dishes for Saturday for me to do." In part that was true. My wife did plan dinners depending on what pans were clean towards the end of the week. The kids complained when they had to load the dishwasher, but they always do that. I also found myself falling into another assumption. "Do I want to have the fight with the kids to clean the kitchen or do I just wait until Saturday to do it." It would be easier and less of a fight. I think that happened just as often.
About the floor. There are two philosophies that I have heard. One is that you sweep the floor before cleaning the kitchen so you don't worry about the water that gets on the floor. The other is that you sweep the floor after you are done, so you can wipe things onto the floor and then sweep it up. I am efficient (that is what I will call it), so the latter was more appealing. Besides, sweeping water is like mopping the floor, right?
When I cleaned was determined early on. I tried to clean the kitchen before the kids woke up. This way it was done before the breakfast dishes and before the three tornados come through. Later in the day made it hard to get the motivation to do it. I also made a point to clean the kitchen before I did any woodworking in the garage. It is the philosophy of get what you don't want to do first. I was hoping that my kids would get this concept. They did not.
I hoped that this goal would do a couple of things. The first would be a cleaner kitchen and it did that pretty well. If I had done the deeper cleans periodically it would be better, but I am lazy. I hoped it would set an example of work for my kids and show them to get things done early and consistently makes the job easier. That did not happen. They still do not understand why they have to do things they hate to do. I was also hoping that with a clean kitchen the rest of the house would not be too bad so we could invite other over to meet new friends. I think everyone knows how that went in the year 2020.
I don't know if I will continue this through the next year. It was a good thing for me to do and it was somethings that I could accomplish over and over again. What will next year bring, I don't know.
Monday, December 21, 2020
Anderson Family 2020
Dear Friends and Family,
We had all intentions of writing a Christmas letter this
year. Well, that did not happen just
like the family pictures we wanted to take.
This year did not turn out like we had expected but there are many
things that we are be grateful for.
This year was going to be a new section, not just a chapter,
in the Anderson household. I received a
job offer that moved the family at the beginning of the year. We moved across the country and settled in
Fredericksburg, Virginia. The move went
surprisingly well. We were able to
purchase a home in a sought-after community. We are very happy where we
are. So here is an update on the family. We will be omitting the names of the kids
because this is going on a public site
I am back working for American Woodmark after a brief time
at idX. I was able to find a woodworking club until March, but they did not
have any toy drives. I have made some
toys, but I have been focusing on building bedroom furniture this year. I have had my best year on Etsy, and there
has been a lot of inquiries in the neighborhood.
Katie had been keeping herself busy by being a fulltime
stay-at-home teacher and mother. She
recently started teaching English to Chinese kids though the online program VIP
kid. She is really enjoying it and the
kids seem to like her also.
Number one is enjoying himself in middle school. He has joined the strategic games club at
school and is mastering the ninja rope outside.
He enjoys climbing things even though he cannot always get down. He is getting taller everyday and staying
healthy. We are hoping he will be able
to run track in the spring.
Number 2 probably had the hardest time with the pandemic
because he needs to be around people. He
is doing will when he is in school and with others. He enjoys Legos and Minecraft. The best thing that has happened out here for
him is all the bugs he has been finding and all the animals.
Number three is definitely the youngest and thinks he can
get away with anything. When he is in
trouble, he turns on the charm. This
works on everyone else but his parents.
He is enjoying the First grade and doing everything that his brothers
are doing. He is becoming quite the
reader
This year we have been able to visit the Natural History
museum, Air and Space Museum, and the National Zoo. With social distancing the crowds have been
lite, and the hands-on exhibits have been closed. We are liking it here on the east coast. The pandemic has made it difficult to make
friends and meet people, but we have overcome despite the challenges.
Hope you and your families have a happy holidays and stay
safe.
With Much Love,
Tuesday, December 1, 2020
Sometimes I just want to stop
Fair warning this is a little bit venting.
I have been on Etsy for over 5 years now. I consider it passive income because most of the items I sell on the platform are plans. For the most part it has been a good experience. There are times where I wonder if it is even worth it. My store has been gaining more popularity in the past couple of years. In part from social media and a couple of magazine articles I have written. I have also seen an increase in sales where the person thought they were buying a product when it is only the plan. I have also seen an increase in people wondering why my Etsy price is cheaper than the price I quote them to make the toy.
When people ask about prices it is usually pretty easy to explain. I will try and go out of my way to explain and offer suggestions. I had a non profit that wanted me to make toys for them to sell. They did not understand why the plan was $3 and I was quoting them $15 for each toy. I wasn't going to be able to take the business because they were out of the country, but I wanted to help. I ended up sending them the plans and told them to find a local wood worker to make them at the sizes they wanted. Usually the price concerns are easy to resolve.
I have been having more people order plans and expecting the product. I do have a no refund policy on plans because they are immediately downloaded. This is typical in plan sales. Usually when a plan is ordered in mistake the person will notify me of their mistake. I handle these case by case. Be kind to me and I will reciprocate. It is the emails saying something like, "When is this going to ship. I have been waiting for two months," that bother me. This year I have decided to take an unapologetic approach to these mistaken plan sales. This is my typical reply:
Thank you for purchasing ______ plan. You should have received an email with a link to download the plan. Sometimes this is sent to spam. I have attached the plan you purchased. Thank you again for your purchase.
Most of the time I don't get a response. When I do it makes me question if I want to continue in the retail environment. The customer feels it is my fault and I am not clear that this is just a plan. The plan that has been the most problematic has been the cradle. I have reviewed the description and title and could not find a better way to say that this is a plan. I don't want to capitalize "PLAN ONLY". It looks like I am shouting and it is tacky. Here is my little vent:
If you are buying on-line it is your responsibility to read the descriptions and understand what you are buying. My shop is called All Natural Toy Plans (italics added). The title says "Wood Toy Plan" then the item. The summary in all my plans say "plans can be printed on 8.5 x 11" paper." The last sentence reads: purchase is for the plan only. I think I say it enough. But just in case, I have added "*plan only*" at the beginning of each description. I think this looks tacky. Seriously, if you purchase one of my plans thinking it is a product, own the mistake an move on. It is not my fault you made the purchase so stop blaming me that you didn't read the description. I have no fine print. I have no disclaimers. I definitely am not trying to deceive any one. I have over 400 sales and only about 2% order plans by mistake. Only two people think that I have actually deceived them.
My rant continues with the cradle since this seems to be the most mistaken as a product. The plan is $10. Something must go off in your head that this deal is too good to be true. This plan is for a 21" cradle with custom fretwork on the side. There is no shipping because it is a download. My small toys cost $6-$8 to ship. Seriously, if the deal looks too good, make sure you understand what you are buying. I sell these cradles for $100 each at craft fairs.
I know that Etsy is not the best place to sell plans, but it is a platform that I use. Others also use it because there is a total section for digital downloads and plans. It has worked well for me. I know that I am not the only one that has this issue. I have read one star reviews on other plan stores, they are all because they expected an object and got a digital download.
Rant over.
I am not shutting down my shop anytime soon. It has been too much fun meeting new people. Others sharing what they have made from my plans. There has been some great things come from this experience.
This year has actually been a good year for me on Etsy. I contribute a lot of the success to being published and covid. It is nothing to quit my job over, but it offset the costs of a planer, and lumber this year.
Workshop Classes
This is probably the best location to put consistent information about the workshop classes that I am currently doing. Information will probably changes and adapt as covid regulations increase or decrease.
I am holding workshop woodworking classes in my garage about twice a month; at least that is the plan starting in January. I will be posting links on Facebook and NextDoor. I am working on a google sheet for sign ups so that people can sign up for the project and date. I have space for two people at a time for the smaller projects and only one for the larger projects. All tools and supplies will be provided. Currently everyone will need to come with a face mask or shield. Shields are preferred because they do not fog up the safety glasses. Classes will range from 1-3 hours in length. These projects are on the simpler side to teach basics of nailing, drilling, cutting, sanding, and assembly. It will not go into fine woodworking joinery and furniture.
Here are a list of potential projects. Not all the designs have been vetted out so I don't have pictures of all of them.
- Construction trucks - 1-3rd grades
- Napkin holder - 1-3rd grades
- Holiday luminary - 4th grade and above
- Christmas Ornament - 4th grade and above
- Cell phone holder - 4th grade and above
- Bird House - 2-6th grade
- Cradle - 9th grade and above
- Scroll saw basics - 4th grade and above (prerequisite for many of the other classes)
- Catapult - 4th grade and above
- Name Plaque 1-3rd grade
- Puzzles - 4th grade and above
- Car launcher - 3-4th grade
Tuesday, October 27, 2020
Workshop Classes
Friday, October 16, 2020
Color experimenting
I am working on putting together workshops for kids to learn and make some things out of wood. My struggle has been the painting. Young kids really like painting and coloring there stuff so I need to come up with a solution.
Here are the things I have thought about:
- Markers - may not be very messy but also not very affordable. Wood and markers also don't go together well because wood is more abrasive than paper and will wear down the tips quickly. On the positive side they do not make a mess and they will clean up with water. They also dry fast.
- Acrylic paint - It is a lot more messy, stains clothes, and takes forever to dry because kids layer it on pretty thick. It is also uses more stuff because brushes need to be cleaned and rinsed with water. On the plus side it is cheap and one bottle can be used multiple times.
- Paint pens - are not affordable and have chemicals that I don't want kids using.
- Food dyes - are thin and dry quickly. They are too liquid for me to have kids use.
- Water color pallets - They are about a $1 a piece on amazon so they are affordable if they are reusable. Mixing colors and contamination is very likely when kids use them
- The yellow dye looks a lot like orange
- The acrylic paint dried in about 24 hours. The dyes did not seen to dry after 72 hours
- The dyes stain my hands while the paint washed of with soap, water and a little scrubbing.
- The acrylic paint rehydrated with some water and a paint brush. it did stake some work and the colors were translucent and not opaque.
Tuesday, October 13, 2020
Puzzle Ornaments
Tuesday, October 6, 2020
This Year’s Christmas Ornament
This was a crazy year for me. I had the nativity ornament already picked out. The wood choice for the family ornament is poplar. There is not much special about poplar. It is considered a hard wood even though it is pretty soft. This wood is always in stock in my shop because it is what I use to make the toys that I designed for the first time. It is also what I make most of my toys I donate. It paints very well and is inexpensive. Poplar will always have a place in my shop.
That is this year's ornament.
Sunday, September 20, 2020
Honey, I Blew up the Toys
I had a fair amount of off cuts of several thicknesses of cherry from the furniture that I have been building. I wondered for a little bit what to do with it. My small series was made mostly of 3/4" material so it made since to just double it, sort of.
The problem was that the lumber I had was not all the same thickness and too small to run through a planer. I took some liberties on thicknesses and dimensions to make it work. I only had enough off cuts to make four different models. I probably like the jeep and the plane the best. I would like to see what the dump truck would be doubled. Maybe after a few more projects.
Fun project to double the size. I needed to enlarge a couple of the templates. I took a couple of liberties with the dowel placements and widths. It was also surprised how big they were compared to the originals. I will probably do this again when I get different thicknesses of lumber.
Tuesday, August 18, 2020
Bug Chest of Drawers
My middle child needed a dresser for his room. He had drawers that went under his bed but we lofted the bed so the drawers just moved around the room when he needed space. I put together a design for a painted chest of drawers that he could help in the color and painting.
I figured I would use cheaper materials, but I don't know how much cheaper they were. The side frames are poplar and the rest of the carcass is MDF. The drawers are the cheap import plywood that is a pain to work with. I used a stain blocking primer, because I knew there were places in the house that I would need to prime also. I purchased a quart of flat bright white interior paint and half a gallon of orange acrylic paint. For the top coat, I used water based polyacrylic.
Construction is pretty simple. The sides are a frame and panel where everything was pre-finished. The only thing that I would have done different would be to stencil the patterns on before assembling the panel. Th insert panel is MDF that has been primed and painted. The face frame is MDF and screwed into the sides. I had some left over poplar so those were made into the back rails. It has a full back panel and the top is 1/2" MDF. I should have used 3/4" but I did not want to buy a sheet for just one top. The top is held in place by construction adhesive. I would have liked a couple of mechanical fasteners.
I did have my helper paint. It was good for him to be part of the project. He did do all the the stenciling. I did learn a couple of things with working with my son on this project. The first and most important is that I cannot do it for him. He rolled the primer on all the parts and put on the white paint. I did do some touch up work, but he did do a god job. I also learned that there is a time limit for how much he will do. Once the time is up, I can work on the parts of the project that he is not able to do. It is hard to hold back "suggestions" on how I would like to see it done. He needed to chose the stencils and placement. He is a very linear thinker that thinks outside the box. The stencils are all oriented in the same position, but the color scheme is all his. I would have liked it a little more symmetrical but he wanted nothing to do with it. he also did not like the scorpion and centipede stencils.
I think the project works well for my son. He was extremely proud of what he did and how it turned out. I would have liked it to be a little cleaner in the paint area but a lot of that was my fault. He now has a place to put away his clothes, now we will see if his room stays cleaner longer.
The inspiration for the project was first to have a place for my son's clothes. After looking at the costs of dressers I thought I could build a better one for slightly over the cost of buying one. I was looking at around the $220 range. Here is the cost break down and total
hardware | $49.98 |
lumber | $77.62 |
tools | $40.17 |
paint | $48.36 |
Grand total | $216.13 |
Wednesday, August 12, 2020
Bedroom Furniture: Bookselves
I recently completed the bookshelf for our room. It is in the same design as the other pieces of furniture. The bookshelf has open sides with slats and two sections. One side has one adjustable shelf and the other side has two adjustable shelves. I did not do a complete design of this, only sketches like the other pieces. It was designed at 15" seep to handle some of our photo albums. Looking back, I probably could have reduced the depth to 12" and put the photo albums elsewhere. It is deep but it does work.
The construction of the unit is very similar to the night stands with thicker legs and top. I purchases 8/4 (1 3/4") thick lumber instead of 6/4 (1 1/4"). That was not planned but it looks good because it is a larger unit. I used the slats to hide the shelf hardware. the concept work well. I used a template to make sure the hole spacing was consistent on each of the legs. I used a router this time to cut the grooves in the rails that hold the slats in place. I was hoping this would be more consistent than the dado stack on the table saw. It was for all but one of the rails. I am not sure what happened with the one piece. It all worked out in the end since I cut the slats thick. I did find out that I do need a better slot cutter than the one that came in the multi pack. The one I have dulled after half way through the parts and started to chip out on the edges. All joints are mortise and tenon and I would hope that I would have become a little better. I don't think I have improved much.
The cabinet is totally over designed. It is all solid wood, even the shelves and bottom panel. The shelves are 7/8" thick. I now buy rough lumber, so I just plane to get the defects out and that is the final thickness. I did have a little issue with the glue up this time. I glued up the right side panel and left side of the center piece. with hand cut joints each one fits in one spot. I had to clean out a lot of epoxy. The good part was my loose joints were no longer loose.
I am happy with the project and how well it goes with the rest of the set. I think I will be doing a printer stand next. I need to test a look before I put design it into the headboard
Tuesday, June 30, 2020
The New Computer Desk
Tuesday, June 9, 2020
Catapults
- Wedges to split glued parts that are not supposed to be glued. We used a chisel to separate a clamping joint that got stuck together with squeeze out
- Lever arms, we used a screwdriver to put in the multiple hooks required for the project
- Blade pinch, he learned what happens as you pinch a blade when trying to cut material.
- What happens when… The catapult has several different options that can change trajectory and tension. He was able to figure out that different angles caused the marshmallow to fly differently. He was also excited when I added a second rubber band and told him I doubled his power.
Friday, May 29, 2020
Bedroom Furniture: Nightstand
- The legs have dimension. When cutting all my rails I cut them to the width and depth of the nightstand. I am grateful I figured out the mistake before gluing it all together. It allowed me to practice forming my tenons again.
- Rough lumber is not as scary as I thought it would be. I could only get rough lumber and I have never worked with it. There are some things that I have had to take into consideration. The first is surfacing it then putting a straight edge on it. It is not as difficult as a thought it would be. It is not like the stuff I got from work a few years back.
- Tenons don’t need to be supper long. I made them one inch long. They were going into 1 ½” legs. I should have made them 5/8” long. The tenons were not that difficult; it was the mortises. They were a pain to clean out. I will also make them wider than 5/16” next time. The rails are ¾”+ thick.
- Epoxy: I don’t know. It is the first-time using epoxy and it does fill in gaps. It was a little messy and there was a fair amount of waste. I have to say the joints are strong.
- Dove tails are easier to cut on a scroll saw. I cut a couple of test ones out by hand. I learned quickly that a cheap coping saw is no good for cutting out waste. It was a pain and the blade moved everywhere. It was easy to set the angle and cut on a scroll saw. It is probably the same on a bandsaw. Now if I just put the pins and tails on the correct part.
- Rulers and tape measures become scales. I have known this for some time, but it really came out in this build. I needed to keep with in my constraints of height, width and depth. Thickness of the boards was when all the saw marks were removed with a planer. Groove thickness was based on what looked good. Parts changed as things were put together. The measuring devices were used more for consistency purposes rather than getting to a specific measurement. That being said, I still depend heavily on my tape measure.
- Good joinery makes the assembly a lot easier. The nightstands came out square and I did not have to worry about making sure all the parts were at the same spacing because all of that was planned for in the joinery.
Tuesday, May 19, 2020
The past 60 days
I really don’t know how long it has been since we have been
under “shelter in place” orders but 60 days sounds like a good round number. I typically do not post these entries to the
public on my blog but I feel the need to share my feelings.
It has been interesting watching my social media feed. I liked seeing all the fun things that people
were doing. Honestly it also sometimes
made me feel jealous that I may not been included, or it was impossible for me
to do. Now, these types posts have gone
and replaced with memes and spiritual/uplifting messages. These messages are nice/funny/uplifting, but
I cannot connect with them as I could with people and pictures. It is lonely on social media these days.
I consider my self one of the fortunate ones. I am still employed. My family and I are healthy. However, I have,
as a new manager, to make decisions that affect others. I have had to let talented employees go, cut
hours and have seen revenue streams dry up.
I have friends and family lose employment and health. It is not fair.
I took my family across the country away from friends and
family at the beginning of the year in hopes to start something better. We were here long enough to start to make
acquaintances and building friendships to have the doors slammed shut and
connections fade. We wave to our
neighbors and to people we see. I have plenty of people around me but no one to
talk to.
We had plans to do so much with the kids. We are grateful that we were able to make it
to DC once before the shutdown. Parks
and trails are closed. There are so many
things that we want to do that we crossed off the calendar. The kids are bored and feel they need to
occupy the time with screens. I want to
go places, but places are closed.
When the news started that we might shut down, I planned out
some projects to fill any extra time that I might have during this time of
uncertainty. These included a couple of
nightstands with traditional joinery, the projects with the kids, and some home
improvement projects. Many are almost
completed, and I am running out of the things that I planned to do. There is nothing to do anymore.
I am hearing that things are opening with conditions
attached. Slowly, and some quickly,
states are starting to go back to a new normal.
Information is confusing and often contradictory. We are trying to do what is asked. These times are uncertain and confusing.
I am using technology to connect, have meetings. Face to face social interaction has been
replaced with face to screen. My company
is starting to invest in better AV equipment to cut down on travel
expenses. We are connected in several
different platforms. It just is not the same as discussing a problem in a room,
face to face. I see and hear others but
do not feel and connect with others.
If you have read this and are concerned, don’t be. I am fine.
Things are different and they will be for some time. We will get through this.
Saturday, May 9, 2020
Ping Pong Ball Guns
- Bernoulli's principle – It was actually pretty cool to see this in action on the height of the clothes pin experiment. Depending on the height of the rubber band it would put a top or bottom spin on the ball. Top spin would make the ball just drop. The bottom spin would cause the ball to float. It made sense the optimal height was just below half the diameter the ball.
- Eight-inch rubber bands degrade quickly. It only takes 5-10 stretches of a rubber band before it stretches over 8”. We did account for this and change the rubber band for each experiment. Where this proved to be difficult was experiment 2. The distance that gave the most reliable results was when the rubber band stayed in place on the pins. When the rubber band did not have the tension to keep it in place the results were not as consistent. This was because we would have to put the rubber band after each shot. A little high gave the ball more top spin and a little low and we would have more bottom spin. On the guns we ended up wrapping the rubber band around each pin once to hold it in place
- Ergonomics and gun holding is a pain to figure out. The trigger finger is not the index finger but the thumb. That makes it difficult to hold. It was a lot of cutting. Cardboard only helps so much because it is only 1/8” thick.
- Angling the clothes pin does not help a lot. It actually could create a problem if angled too much; the rubber band might not fire.
- Clothes pins are cheap and break easily. This could be because I made them not well supported and replaceable.
- These guns are super inaccurate and unreliable, but fun and sort of safe to shoot. (doesn’t leave as big of a mark as the rubber band gatling gun; not speaking from experience)
Monday, March 30, 2020
Tools in Review
New Planer
I went with the home brand standard of the DeWalt DW735. It is a good planer and had access to one at my previous job. I had always thought I would get the Shelix head to go with it. But then there was a realization. The new head would cost about $500. New blades are $55 each and they are sharpened on both sides. If I would replace them every year (this is a guess), It would take me 10 years to pay for the Shelix head. By that time I may want to upgrade or go a different route. While the Shelix is a good cutter head, I don't see the need to drop the money on one right now. This may change now that I have to buy my lumber in the rough not surfaced two sides. The biggest issue, and it is big, is that it does not hook up to a standard shop vac hose. I am not sure what the connection is but I am taping the hose on right now.
New Cordless Tools
I broke down and got new DeWalt drill, diver and circular saw. My old drill was no it's last legs and needed to be replaced. Not much to say with the systems that I purchased. The drills are smaller and easily used by my kids. They helped me repair the fence. The circular saw is a game changer. Needed to cut a 2x4 stud to length and I didn't need to go to the chop saw. I will say that the saw is a battery drainer. I have two 2 amp batteries and it will drawing the batteries cutting down sheet stock.
New Hand Tools
This was the reason that I went to the Woodworking Show. I picked up a hand saw and marking gauge at Lee Valley. I am looking to do more traditional joinery on some furniture that I am making and these are kind of important in the laying out consistent marks. I also picked up a square and marking ruler at Wood Peckers. I know that these are square and it is amazing on how far off my other marking tools are.
The Woodworking Show
Friday, March 27, 2020
New Dust Collection
Saturday, February 29, 2020
Goals this Year
Thursday, January 23, 2020
Year in Review
In terms of projects this year it would probably be the build and grow cars. I just like how all of them turned out. They were fun designs and solidly built. My least favorite was probably be the battle axes. I really do not like making weapons especially one that has the ability to do a lot of real damage. It was fun to work with my brother on a project.
Tools I picked up this year. The list is small, thank goodness. The branding iron was needed for marketing. It works well and I am glad I have it. The other was a long time coming and I have not had much of a chance to use it. That would be the new shop vac with the dust collection. It seems to work well for the few times that I have used it. That is it for tools.
I was able publish two plans this year and I was able to install several cabinets for a friend. These were the two big sources of income this year. My etsy shop also did really well. I think there was a fair amount of traffic that was because I was published in a magazine.
I accomplished the main goals that I was working towards.I ended the year with moving to the other side of the country. It will be interesting to setup a new work area and a new group. I am going to have to find a new lumber yard also.
Wednesday, January 15, 2020
My Last Project in California
My last project in the current shop was a couple of cell phone holders. I have done one in the past but this time I cut out a butterfly on the top of it. The other was an easel that proved to be more complicated that I had hoped. The size of the easel made the angles very shallow and I did not want to feel like it was going to fall over. The other thing that I did not realize was the dimensions of the stock. I originally went with 5/8” thick stock but that looked too thick, but ½” was too narrow to hold the phone. I actually needed to be creative to make the ledge look thinner than it actually was. That is what angles are for.